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I am a single mama and I have been co-sleeping with my son with my son since he was born. He just turned 8 and still wanting to sleep in my bed. It is really time for him to sleep in his own bed but he is finding it very hard to go to sleep by himself since it has become such a habit. It is midnight now and he still has not gotten to sleep. How does one transition a child to sleep on their own? He is constantly coming into my room complaining about something or wanting to come into my bed. We've been trying to transtion for a week but he always ends up in my bed by morning.
How long have you slept with your child? Is age 8 to long to have slept with your child? Is attatchment parenting letting your child choose when it is time to transition or is it right of me to finially take a stand on it?
Any help would be appritiated.
How long have you slept with your child? Is age 8 to long to have slept with your child? Is attatchment parenting letting your child choose when it is time to transition or is it right of me to finially take a stand on it?
Any help would be appritiated.
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 8:54 AMi remember being 7 and 8 and really loving being in bed with my parents ... but their bed was too small for the three of us, so i slept on the floor (mostly in the summer w/ the air conditioner in their room) and i still really just liked being close to them, even at what seems like too old to be needing mom and/or dad -
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 9:00 AMIt's more that I am needing my own space in my room after his bedtime with out having to worry about disturbing his sleep. Thanks for your input, I might consider letting him sleep on the floor if it is one of those hot sweaty nights that I want to sleep alone. -
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 9:09 AMwhen my daughter was around the age of Moonica's son, she really loved making forts or pitching tents to create a space for herself. your son might enjoy a makeshift, or real, tent in your room, or in the living room, if a separate bedroom is not available. see how it works for you. there are very inexpensive tents available this time of eyar that can be set up literally in a few minutes. kids love tents and teh temporary space they create...when my daughtrer was little (like 4 or 5 years old), we;d go camping with friends around her age and the kids would ru in and out of a tent all day laughing at the "inside/outside" dichotomy, or something.
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 1:22 PMI like the tent idea! Is there another incentive, like, sheets for own his bed with a favorite character, like spongebob or something, that could be a good motivator?Could you work on a reward system where he gets points towards a special toy for every night he sleeps in his own bed? -
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 1:40 PMWe used sheets with special trucks on them as a motivator and it has helped a lot. He still comes to our bed in the early morning hours but that is fine by us.
We use this as a reading tent at our house but it could make a cute sleeping tent. www.discountschoolsupply.com/Pro...aspx -
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 1:43 PMIt kinda sucks to think that youre getting demoted over something like superman sheets, like youre chopped liver, but sometimes things like that, superman sheets or thomas the train sippy cups, are just what you need to make that leap into a new behavior. Kids are funny. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 7:10 AMhi everyone.
pelase don;t anyone who responded to Moonica here take my remarks as an attack on your parenting style = we'e talking about ideas here.I will do my best not to say anything that could be taken as an attack on anyone;s parenting style in ideologial grou
.I personally don't beieve in reward systems for young children, just as I don';t believe in "time outs" and a formalized system of consequences...and withholding of some reward such as cutesy "big boy" sheets is really jsut a form of pnbishment though we won't like to admit that the carrot is really jsut a sweetened form of the stick. ALfie Kohn, who sometimes goes a bit too far into this for me but who I find brilliant in exposing soem underlying ideas behind our educational and family behaviors as adults dealing with children, says that rewards are basically a form of bribery that doesn;t change the inner experience, and actually research psychology on motivation ahs shown that the more you give a person f any age a reward for any activisty or behavo=ior, the more you decrease whatever intrinsic pleasure or sense of accompl;isjment a child gets from the activity. for example, by telling a child, "you wree o good about eating all your broccoli that you can have ice cram!" you are basically teaching that a) broccoli i o yucky that a peron mut be paid/bribed into eating it and b) ice cream or other wet are o valuable and important that they can be used a currency to pay children off for eating their yucky vegetable.
and so with Uperman heet, I feel...you are edmoting YOURELF by saying that cartoon characters are so great that they are currency for giving up omething else you really like...don;t be urprised if a child treated like that gets really fixated 0on wanting material thing, like cartoon character toy, since you ahve said that they are way valuable by paying him with thi. thi i what my favorite ocial workeer/dietician, Rllyn Dayyer, would call "Paying a very crewy form of blackmail."
alo, Moonica' on i not a prechooler, he i nearly eight (por maybe jut turned eight?) this is definitely old enough for reasoning and a growing understanding that other people, including your wonderfulmall-giving mother, have needs and feelings too.
so one approach is to be honest with your chld, rather than bribing him with toys and treats. I would say, "I am feeling really tierd and it is a hot night...I need for you to sleep in a special place enarby but where I can move around in the bed without ewaking you up by accident or rolling into you, so I can be rested and feel gpood and do some fun things with you tomorrow."
I really believe it;s never too early to start teaching empathy, the ideq that other people ahve feelings, though like a lot of concepts, chidlren incorporate it into their psyches at different times.
I had to do this with extended rbeastfeeding - my wonderful bedsharing preschooler was waking me up too much at night to nurse. I didn;t want to quit co-sleeping but I did need to say, "hey, I need my sleep at night and you may NOT wake me up unles it's an emergency." itl;s a judgment call - I felt she needed the continued breastfeeding as a bonding and comfort thing but she didn;t need it as a round-the-clock thing as she had when she was a baby.
basically I;ve found that if you really impress on a child that you care about their feelings and ideas and respect them as the eople they aer, and that you also have your own feelingsthat they should also respect, you get a much more thoughtful. considerate child than one who expects to be paid off for being cooperative or helpful or :grown-up." also, when getting paid to be a "nig kid" makes growing up look like something that demands bribes, well, the child tends to get alienated about whether:"growing up" is a good thing, a la Peter Pan.
just a few thoughts froma mama who's BTDT a few times over...
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 10:28 AM<<and withholding of some reward such as cutesy "big boy" sheets is really jsut a form of pnbishment though we won't like to admit that the carrot is really jsut a sweetened form of the stick.>>
No one said anything about withholding a reward of "big boy" sheets. To be clear when I wanted my son to stay in his bed I went out and bought new bedding that reflected his interests in cars and truck to make his bed more inviting to him. And it worked along WITH communication not in place of it. It felt like his special place and he loved it. That has NOTHING to do with punishment or rewarding. It has everything to do with making him feel like his likes are being heard and helping him to transition to a new space on his own terms.
You may feel like you are just talking ideas but sorry you are coming across as judging and questioning other people's parental choices without even fully understanding them. -
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:39 AMhi Yewni, I;m having mild computer problems here. I'm not trying to be judgmental, and I think I said as much...so p[lease don;t take offense if we have different ways of looking at things, I repeat what I said, it;s ony about ideas and I'm NOT trying to say that you aren;t as good a parent if you got your kid truck sheets when h was big enough for a bed!
I have seen kids who seemed to have an interesting reaction to too much ppositive reinforcement for being a "big kid" - they take it out on younger sublings or schoolmates or other less amture children. I think I was guilty of this on as a child...the worsty insult I could hurl at my younger brother was "you;re a babty" and I'm pretty sure that much of it was that I felt I got rewarded for being grown-up and that;s how I was supposed to get adults to love me...but the more baby behaviors my brother showed, the more attention my mother in aprticular lavished on him.
life;s complex, and i was speaking mostly to the situation Moonica described, not to anyone who has already figured it out their own way about how and in what kid of bed their child sleeps. my intuitive "hit" with Moonica is that she needs nore space, literally, and has a child who is ready to hear and work with that.
better get going. sprry if I created some kind of problem for someone here; tnat wasn't my intent at all. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 12:01 PM<<I have seen kids who seemed to have an interesting reaction to too much ppositive reinforcement for being a "big kid" - they take it out on younger sublings or schoolmates or other less amture children.>>
I never said anything about being a "big kid." Those are your words not mine. We never used any kind of "big boy/ big kid" talk with our child. I am not sure where the assumption that buying sheets for a bed must automatically mean one bribed or withheld from their child or chastised them with "big kid" talk comes in.
I don't mind that we have different ways but you seem a bit determined that you know things about other people's choices that simply aren't there.
I appreciate that you have your own methods. I wouldn't think to criticize them or make assumptions about them (especially without attempting to fully understand them) while sharing what worked for me. It would be nice if you did the same. It is entirely possible to share your ideology without knocking someone else's.
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 7:27 PMre-reading my own posts and I dont see anything in them about labeling a child a "big kid" or a "baby". I try pretty hard not to label children that way in order to manipulate them. I also think of the new sheets as a motivator or an incentive, not a reward/punishent tool. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 8:55 PMWhen we transitioned H to her room we made it 'her space.' that way it was much more appealing to her. Oh and I had to give up MY pillow. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:02 PMThanks for your help. I thnink we decided maybe weekends he could still sleep with me. And come into my bed if he wakes up in the middle of the night. I see the importance of making his room a special place he feels comfortable, but I guess I don't really have the extra money at the moment. And he felt to scared to sleep in a fort :( Maybe sometime in the future. I will have a good conversation wtih him tomoorw. I think he is taking it really personally that I don't love or care about him anymore. but I do! So much that I want him to have a good nights sleep with out me in and otu of the room and on the computer disturbing his sleep.
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:11 AMhey, I wasn;t put to judge anyone, like I say just talking about ideas. and I really do apologize if a couple of you took t personally. I can;t speak for anyone else, but my life;s too busy to spoeand a lot of time worrying about how other people do stuff. ideas are only ideas, and we;re all invovled busy people doing the ebst we can for our families...
so again...let's move on and I'm sorry if anything Is aid buggered anyone here.
Moonica, he knows you love him! anbd YOU know it! I;ve found that being honest and saying "I need some alone time jsut now" heklps kids learn how to take their own sapce, and t puts it back on me and being honest about my needs.
just one brief thought though that you don;t hav to answer unelss you really want to...how is a "motivator" differnt from a :reward?" ior is that getting too semantic? -
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 2:23 PMa reward is a thing you get for doing something. something you would not otherwise get, and that you ONLY get if you do what was asked of you. A motivator is something to make a new behavior or arrangement more appealing, so that the motivatee is more inclined to participate, but even if they choose not to, the motivator is still offered, not removed. -
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 2:37 PMmotivators v. rewards: okay, I get it...could be a subtle differnce but I do see what you man...
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Tue, July 7, 2009 - 8:37 AMA reward is a prize given after one has done some type of desired behavior. A bribe is a prize given as a trade for some sort of desired behavior. Both rewards and bribes are based on the idea of "if you do this you get that." A motivator (such as buying cars and trucks sheets for my son's bed) is not based on any "if" or contingency. His bed needed sheets. I was going to buy sheets no matter what. It was also already decided by his father and I that he was going to start sleeping in that bed because we were exhausted (to the point where it was altering our personalities) with our co-sleeping situation. My son loves cars and trucks more than anything. My house is practically a parking lot these days. Garbage day at my house is a BIG deal because my son gets to waive at the garbage man and gets him to honk the horn. A ride in the car is super fun for him, all he does the entire time is point out the various types of vehicles. It is actually trippy to me because he recognizes makes and models of cars already and knows them better than I ever have (or have cared to). The point is he loves cars.
So when it was decided that he should sleep in his own bed we talked to him about it and made a plan with him about how it was going to happen. But I also decided to make the room inviting to him and make the bed inviting to him by having it reflect his interests, in this case cars. He was very pleased. That bed had been there for ages with plain white sheets but he never really thought of it as his until we made it and the space it was in all about him. We also hung paintings and drawings of his above the bed. Our family bed has plain blue sheets but HIS bed reflects his interest and it made him feel a sense of ownership. At first that didn't translate to sleeping in it all night. In the beginning he just liked playing on the bed and examining the cars and lining up his play cars along side the cars on the sheets but after awhile being in that space even if it was during playtime made him feel comfortable there and pretty soon he started staying there through the night. Now he joins us in our bed usually around 6am.
It wasn't about bribery or rewards. It was about helping to feel comfortable and connected to the space that he was going to be resting in. Are you getting the difference? -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 10:07 AMam I getting it?
sure and I am more than reafy to move on. I think I;ve apologized for any hurt feelings enough; write to me privately if you are still feeling bthered and need to work it out with me.
I rmember when my daughter was abslutely fascinated by backhoes and other large earth-mioving equipment., a former childcoare provider and friend has remarked; "it's always intersting to see where kids see power" which is prnbably some of why kids so often are dascinated by dinosaurs too.
garbage turcks are a biggie, yes! I worked at a preschool where the school culture inviolved the chidlren getting togetehr at the gate/fence and chanting Garbage TRUCK!gartbaage TRUCK! as the big pick up the trash vehicle approached...
come to think of that, I remember my younger brother doing the same thing.
and maybe the later onsession kids have with loud music comes from there...whether it;s rock and roll, punk, hip hop, thrash,seems most generations since a little before mine have had some music that used, yes, power, quite iterally ...
enjoy, enjoy.
I think MOonica's eight year old is probably in a verydiffernt sapce than these littel guys into the cars and trucks thing...but anyway...lets move on (AS BEEP BEEP says the truck!)
)_PS I know about exhaystion altering the personality. my issue wasnlt the co-sleeping, it was my noiusy neighbors and sometimes the trucks, car alarms, etc...but hey, I get it. then there was staying inthe staff fampground last eyar at Harmony Festival and the young revelers who woke me up when I'm an early-to-bed, early-to-rise person who had a job to do in the morning...I wasn;t very gracious about it. I tend to vut young children more slack...but then I ahte electronic beeping and talking toys... -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 10:29 AM<<am I getting it?
sure and I am more than reafy to move on. I think I;ve apologized for any hurt feelings enough; write to me privately if you are still feeling bthered and need to work it out with me.>>
I was simply answering a question that you asked.
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 10:48 PM"How long have you slept with your child? Is age 8 to long to have slept with your child? Is attatchment parenting letting your child choose when it is time to transition or is it right of me to finially take a stand on it?"
Seems to me that it's another case of "whatever works." If you're not comfortable with him sleeping in your bed, I'd say it's reasonable and healthy to ask your son to move to his own bed. At the same time, a week seems like a very short period of time to make that transition after 8 years. My kids have been sleeping in their own room for about a year, and they still pop into my bed in the middle of the night. Why did you decide now that now "is time for him to sleep in his own bed" as opposed to last year or next year? Is there some sudden change, like someone else in the bed with you, or a change in your son's behavior? -
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:08 PMI guess it is summer time and I want to stay up later than he does. During the school year I usually went right to bed with him. Basically I feel like I have been giving up a lot of my freedom the past few years for his sake and it is time for me to claim some of my space back. -
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Re: Transitioning from co-sleeping
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 1:47 AMWith our boy we first transitioned from co-sleeping to his own bed on the floor in the same room to (ultimately) his own bed in his own room ---and as I recall it took a while. We started the process when he was going on five and he resisted it strongly until around his sixth birthday. He has always liked being with someone when he sleeps so that was our main issue. We had to show him what was good about resting solo and after a while he found what he liked about sleeping in his own bed and finally his own room.
It was a lot of give and take on everyone's part. There were some very difficult moments in there where I remember feeling super manipulated and irritated, but even in those moments we figured out what was going to work best for us.
Firm, consistent, honest communication was what really worked for all of us in that transition even if it wasn't pretty or particularly restful.
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:10 AMlow $$= thrift shopping!!!! woo hoo and fun for you!
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 5:11 PM"I feel like I have been giving up a lot of my freedom the past few years for his sake and it is time for me to claim some of my space back."
Sounds reasonable to me, and from your other posts it sounds like you have found a workable plan. Good luck! Happy sleeping.
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