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My son is 15 months old and loves to hit! I say please be gentle Kaden, and no hitting please. If he hits me with somthing I take it away and don't give it back till he nods his head yes when I ask will you be gentle? Sometimes I remove him from where he is like if we are on the bed and he hits I'll put him on the floor and ask him to be gentle. He still hits all the time. I'm pretty stern, but he still wont take me seriously, or he'll just cry, then repeat. Any suggestions?
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Re: Hitting
Fri, July 25, 2008 - 5:13 AMlather, rinse, repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat ...
... and repeat!
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Re: Hitting
Fri, July 25, 2008 - 7:01 AMThere's a book called Hands Are Not for Hitting. Hang in there. He will stop hitting. I don't know what parents who spank tell their kids though.
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Fri, July 25, 2008 - 10:28 AMSternly say "no!" with a stern look on your face.
Immediately remove him from the situation.
Do that over and over. I think it's close to what you are doing, but he is too young to understand "Will you be gentle?". He will understand no. -
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Fri, July 25, 2008 - 12:14 PMWhat I do with Anaya is when she wants to be aggressive we play the high five game. It has almost completely wiped out the hitting, now she just puts her hand up in the air to get a high five. Sometimes kids need to get out some physical aggression, this doesn't have to come from anger, just a need to be physical, so maybe you can find ways for him to be physical. Make a game out of it, if he tries to hit you tell him it is okay to hit a pillow or the floor but not people and then proceed to show him by hitting the floor. Then you can laugh about it and have fun and be showing him what is okay and redirecting his attention from what is not okay without him even noticing. The less attention brought to the behaviour the better.
>>>Do that over and over. I think it's close to what you are doing, but he is too young to understand "Will you be gentle?". He will understand no.
Kids understand much more than we give them credit for. I think they can understand "will you be gentle?" at this age but it is not in their makeup yet, they need to have freedom to express. Maybe sternly saying "no!" over and over again may work for some but it does not work for my daughter, it just scares her, and I prefer to save it for truly dangerous situations. I like knowing that it still has shock factor for when she is about to run out into the road, at that point I am okay with her stopping in her tracks and crying for mama, for things like hitting she just seemed to get more frustrated.
Constituency is key, remember that "this too shall pass" kids grow up (much to mommies dismay!) and behaviour changes. -
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Fri, July 25, 2008 - 7:39 PMConstituency
haha, that's what my spell check came up with for consistency when I misspelled it and I didn't even notice! -
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Re: Hitting
Sat, July 26, 2008 - 9:53 AMJust as a note, we say "Don't!" or "Stop!" to keep from overusing "No!"
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Fri, July 25, 2008 - 12:42 PMWhen my son hits I say, "ouch that hurts Mommy!" and then I say, "please be gentle" or "I like it when you are gentle with mommy" and I guide his hand and show him how he can touch my face or arm gently and then again tell him that I do like it when he touches that way. I do the same when he hits the cat. I show him how to touch the cat gently and I emphasize how much the cat enjoys the gentle touch so that he begins to understand what is acceptable instead of always hearing what is not acceptable. I do say no and remove him from the situation at times and try to redirect him but I try not to over use the word no. We have a giant bouncy ball that we let him pound away on if it seems like he just has a lot of energy to get out. -
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Fri, July 25, 2008 - 7:00 PMThanks guys! I esspecially like the high 5 game idea. I will give it a try!
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Sat, July 26, 2008 - 7:41 PMSomething that I've been keeping in mind with my 19 mo old son, when he's tempertantrumee and wants to throw and or hit, is the philos/spiritual idea, substantiated by many, that all children up until around age 3 perceive the world to be entirely good- including themselves. Whatever is happening in their lifeworld/ their environment, they see as good. They sponge up everything. There is no filter at this wee age. So, in my estimation, to say, "be gentle" doesn't mean much to them, because they perceive themselves already to be just that! And, indeed, they are just that!
I agree that kids sometimes need to just release physical tension frustration, and the high-five game is a clever one! We use that in our house. Jumping, stomping, spinning, are also alternatives and may be just what a child needs in those moments where s/he wants to act out frustration through hitting.
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 12:26 AMWhile I appreciate that this may be your spiritual belief I have to respectfully disagree. I give my child much more credit than to assume he sees the world in such blanket terms as entirely good. I've seen too many children demonstrate far too much intelligence to believe something so simple about them all. Yes, they soak up everything but that doesn't mean they are not processing it and problem solving in their own way. I don't believe they are just empty vessels. And no, saying be gentle doesn't mean much, which is why you have to back it up by showing them how to be gentle. I highly doubt that they perceive themselves as being gentle at all. I think it is more like they often don't know the difference between being gentle or not in the beginning. When my son pulls the cats tail it is often because he wants to play with the cat and he just doesn't realize that cats don't appreciate that sort of contact. Teaching him to be gentle by showing him how the cat does like to be touched helps him to achieve his goal which is to have an interaction with the cat. -
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 4:15 PMI have been telling my son "gentle!" and following it with guiding his hand to stroke or touch gently whatever (or whoever) he was being rough with. We've been doing this since he was super young, and while he still hits, pulls tails etc he has known what "gentle" means since before he was one. He may smack me kind of hard, or pinch while nursing and i'd tell him "be gentle!" and he'd immediately open his hand and softly pat me. Now he might go right back to pinching moments later, but hey- he's a baby and that's why i have to be patient and correct him another gazillion times before it sinks in. But i disagree with the idea that they can't understand or learn the concept when they're young. They just don't translate that their hitting hurts the other person.
We got a cat in May, and he loooves his Dat Kitty. He loves him so much that he constantly tries to hit, lift him up by his tail, and throw things at him along with giving him kisses and hugs. I wondered how many hundreds of times would we have to go through this whole thing when i just realized i haven't seen him do it all week. So yeah, there's a lot of repetition and literally hundreds of reminders/time outs/whatevers, but it does sink in.
I can't wait til he's old enough for us to have a conversation so we can ditch the time outs. I don't like them but for the level of communication we have right now removing him from the situation like that is really all i've come up with. -
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 6:16 PMI remember the origins in my own consciousness of the idea that other beings have feelings just like my own.
I was maybe 4 and in nursery school, and a child who went to school with me had skinned his knee or cut his finger or something and the teacher was getting him a bandage. I rermember looking at the Band-Aid in the teacher's hand...it said "new SUperStick" all over it (I was learning to read then) and then thinking something like, "oh, Bandaid, hurt, I;ve had that, he must have a hurt!"
I didn;t know this child's name; he was yonger than I and new to the school. but I do remember looking at him with this sudden insight into how when someone else skins his knee, it;s an awful lot like the way MY knee feels when I fall down...
I think it;s developmental, comes together when the parts are ready to be synchronized.
meanwhile we try to do what we can to teach that "Johnny hurt" or "katie hurt" is a lot like "me hurt>"
Judith (jsut finished teaching a pre-K class of native SPanish-speaking children, had to work with differnt levels of this A LOT!) -
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Mon, July 28, 2008 - 7:06 AMJudith,
What you've said here makes absolute, perfect sense. We are our child(ren)'s first and most influential teachers. Practice makes perfect... and some of life's most basic lessons can take us years of learning & practice to perfect :) I think though that as adults, we have difficulty remembering just how long it took us to master some of the things we *now* innately know & do.
I remember becoming "aware" of my own life & existence and how it (and I) relate to other people around 4 as well (including other's feelings and emotions). It all just sort of "clicked". And since kids are kids, hitting is one of those things that some little ones can take years & years to outgrow. Some people never do. But that's all part of the nature vs. nurture debate. Anyhoooo...
For toddlers (especially young ones) they continue to do certain things simply because they're interested in seeing the other person's reaction. It's like one of their first "if, then" experiments with cause & effect... "If I do A, then they will do B... or will they?" Remember those "If you give a mouse a cookie..." books? -
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Mon, July 28, 2008 - 9:52 AMFor many of us "awareness" may come a lot earlier than age 4 but as adults it is pretty rare that we remember anything before around that age. Of course I am not at all saying this to discount your respective experiences at that age but rather to point out that as adults we often define events in childhoods by what WE can remember and then project this onto the children in our lives. Sometimes with very positive intentions and results and sometimes not. I would think that some things like self awareness and empathy is going to be so individualistic but perhaps fall into an average age range and be very influenced by family, environment and other factors (much like potty learning or literacy).
I had a student once who was so remarkably self aware and empathic at age two that over 10 years later I still think about all the amazing things she would say....and I don't think I ever once saw her hit anyone, no matter how angry or frustrated they were making her. I am sure her parents had some influence in that but mostly I just think she was following her own ideas. -
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Tue, July 29, 2008 - 8:51 PMMy daughter does definitely seem to understand the word "gentle"
and is currently 16 months.
We also do say "owchie, that hurts mama/dada/kitty" something she does hurts.
She does respond to that.
She also says "owchie" when she hears a baby cry or see's a child who is hurt...
and has been known to kiss other peoples "owchies" of her own accord.
Children know a lot.
We also try to say "no" or raise our voices, if at all possible.
If I was a little being I'd much rather be treated gently than be yelled at, even instructionally.
All this to say, no one is perfect, we all do our best...and there are lots of ways to parent well.
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Tue, July 29, 2008 - 8:52 PMhaha...I meant to say we try NOT to say no, or raise our voices... -
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Re: Hitting
Wed, July 30, 2008 - 12:52 AMSam understood the concept of gentle from very early on. Like Mama said, he wasn't always able to put it to use, but he did understand it. Mama's advice is exactly the kind of stuff that worked for us. Hitting for Sam was a sign that he needed energy release. So when I see that building up in him we go jump, tumble, chase or spin. I will add that high five to our repertoire!
If we're playing that way and he still swats at me, I remind him to be gentle. A couple of times I have stopped his hand and said firmly "You will treat my body with respect, just as I treat yours and we will be gentle with each other". This seems to have worked but I will add that I think respect is a much more vague concept than gentle. Even so, I think Sam has an idea what it means. I have talked about it with regard to biting the milkies (ouch!), which he didn't do for long, and hitting.
Sometimes I see a current of energy go through him and he'll just rush at me, sometimes poke me or tap me or whatever. If I'm wearing a skirt he'll grab the hem and spin me around (if the skirt doesn't come down, yikes!). This is just energy that he needs to release and it's my job to help him find a healthy way to do that. Don't you remember having all the energy in the world when you were little? Seems like Sam just gets big rushes of it that have to be used up somehow. -
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Wed, July 30, 2008 - 3:21 AMI am so loving the high 5 game right now, so is he! -
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Wed, July 30, 2008 - 12:01 PMi'm telling you, the book, "adventures in gentle discipline" by hilary flower has many great ideas!
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Re: Hitting
Sun, August 3, 2008 - 7:57 PMi just want to say how thankful i am for this thread and the ideas posted!
my 16 month old is going through this right now . i will definitely check out the book adventures in gentle discipline, thank you so much for the tips ladies!!