to Crib or Not to Crib?

topic posted Sat, March 15, 2008 - 2:46 PM by  jade moon
Dear Parents,

My cosleeping three month old received a brand new wooden crib and organic mattress with bumper pads, sheets, etc from Grandma.

He takes some daytime naps in his bassinett which whe will soon be too big for, so we want to get a bed set up for him for day time naps and eventual night time/partial night time sleeping.

I am starting to deliberate using a crib at all. We could just put the lovely mattress on the floor.

What are your thoughts, experiences, advice about using a crib? Bumper pads?
We love co sleeping for now, but may opt to try him sleeping in his own bed gradually. I think it is important for him to have his own bed.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
Jade Moon
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jade moon
SF Bay Area
  • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

    Sat, March 15, 2008 - 4:49 PM
    Asking about crib experiences in an attachment parenting tribe is sort of like asking about steak marinade recipes in a vegetarian tribe. :-)

    We had a crib. It was handy for piling laundry. We didn't use it much aside from that. I tried it once or twice and thought it was a hassle. I put the kids to sleep in the sling and then lay them in the bed with pillows so they wouldn't roll out. Some friends would say that was going to give them bad sleep habits or some other terrible personal deficits, but that's BS as far as I can tell. Our kids are great sleepers.

    Good luck. We do have many friends who used cribs and it worked well for them. I think it has more to do with your family's sleep habits & disposition than anything else.
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      Tue, March 18, 2008 - 6:37 AM
      Asking about crib experiences in an attachment parenting tribe is sort of like asking about steak marinade recipes in a vegetarian tribe. :-)

      yes!!!!
      lol....have crib....looks nice anyway....snuggling with the babe is so much more enjoyable than getting her to stay in it.
  • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

    Sat, March 15, 2008 - 8:47 PM
    We have a crib all set up in the baby's room and I use it for play time or when I need to keep her safe if I am doing something. We have hard floors so the crib is the only place she can do tummy time. She sleeps with us, though, as does our four year old. Our four year old has her own bed and sometimes she chooses to go to sleep in it, but she usually ends up in our bed by morning. I've learned that there doesn't seem to be any rules in parenting and just when I think I have it figured out something changes and I have to start over again. I think people should do what works for their family and all that really matters is that all children feel safe and happy.
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    Sat, March 15, 2008 - 9:17 PM
    we have a crib --in the box it came in. we have still not purchased a mattress for this crib and since we co-sleep--everyone in a king size bed.......cat, papa, mama, and baby with dog on the pad next to the bed---we are not sure we will ever use it though i am thinking of setting it up in a bedroom on the main floor of our house to use during the day when she naps and i want to get a few things done and not use the slings/wraps.

    she likes napping longer in the afternoon and the crib could be good for that, but so far (almost 4 mos.) we have had no use for it. who knows what the future will bring?...but we are liking the co-sleeping house we have. it feels right for us. i nurse and it feels so much more natural to me to have her in bed with me when we are all crashing out for the night.
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      Sat, March 15, 2008 - 10:21 PM
      My daughter sleeps in her crib. She slept with me for many months but we were having troubles sleeping and so I decided to try her on her own. She LOVES it and rarely sleeps with me anymore. The thing that I have learned is that you can have all these ideals about how you want to raise your child but flexibility is key, they don't always follow with what you want to do. When I moved her into the crib she started going to sleep with no problems and sleeping for much longer.

      I also like having someplace safe to put her when say, I am moving furniture. Or like tonight when I am barfing and just can't cuddle her to sleep, I give her a bottle and then she goes to sleep on her own.
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    Sun, March 16, 2008 - 9:38 AM
    Oh man, if I could go back to the beginning and get my son used to the crib early on I totally would! I love co-sleeping for many reasons but I also love it when my partner and I have the bed to ourselves! Sleeping with my son was a lot easier when he was a few months old but sleeping with him when he is 15 months and kicking me all night long is hard, especially when I have to get up at 6am! I highly recommend both. We have finally got him used to going down in the crib in the early evening and then he joins us when he wakes up in the middle of the night. Personally I like having the crib and co-sleeping. It is great having the options. And we don't use a bumper pad.
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    Sun, March 16, 2008 - 9:02 PM
    when i was pregnant i guess i was "nesting" because i had to have it all. i had to have the perfect nursery.
    oh my god.
    what a HUGE waste of money, time and effort!
    her nursery is just a glorified changing room haha. she is now 11 months and has used her crib a small handful of times for naps but has never slept a night in there....and when i do put her in there for naps she sleeps like 1/2 the time she normally naps. if i had to do it all over again i would have family buy us something more useful than a crib. in fact now thinking about it, we don't really use any baby gear aside from her changing table and a sling.

    but i do realize that every family works differently.
    why do you feel it is important for him to have his own bed?
    maybe you could set the crib up and try co-sleeping until it just doesn't work for your family anymore (ie: he starts kicking and stuff in his sleep which i believe to be a sign they are needing/wanting their own space) or maybe you could try a side car.
    • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

      Mon, March 17, 2008 - 9:44 AM
      Same went for me. I purchased a crib and made my own bumpers and bedding but the crib was set up in our bedroom. The crib became a laudry station. My little one was attached from day 1. She wanted to be held ALL THE TIME. If I put her down for even a moment in a bassinet or try the crib, she would scream.
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    Mon, March 17, 2008 - 6:45 PM
    My babie twins are sleeping together in the crib. i like to toss and turn and I would not be able to sleep at all thinking I could slap or squash them... I can sleep with peace of mind with the crib next to our bed. I always hear them so it is as if they are sleeping next to me.

    I think the babies would appreciate it too because now and then, I pass potpourri...

    I find your nurturing instincts inspiring.. thanks for sharing your thoughts and inquiries..
  • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

    Tue, March 18, 2008 - 10:00 PM
    Sooooo, yeah........ cribs........

    We just got ours set up, with an OG mattress, it's not as kushy as our latex bed, but our daughter likes it, she's 6 mo. We have the crib snugged up to our bed with the crib gate down so I can bring her to me in the night to nurse, then I either put her back in the crib, or snuggle with her.

    It's nice to have the bed back, to sleep with both my arms under the blanket if I want, get some lovin' from my hubby, REAL nice ;0)

    I started out with the bumpers, but then decided to take them off b/c she would snuggle up to them thinking it was me (i think!)

    GOOD LUCK whatever you decide!
    • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

      Thu, March 20, 2008 - 12:02 PM
      in my 11.5 months of parenting...:-) I've really discovered that it all does depend
      on what your child is like...and what truly works for your family.
      It's really no good forcing something that just doesn't feel right (either way!)
      Babies are sometimes really different from each other... some like slings...some don't.
      Some cuddle and really want to sleep close, some don't care at all.
      I say, do whatever seems to be the best fit for your baby and your family as a whole;-)
      • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

        Thu, March 20, 2008 - 12:51 PM
        <<I say, do whatever seems to be the best fit for your baby and your family as a whole;-)>>

        Sound advice indeed!
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          Thu, March 20, 2008 - 5:38 PM
          any advice in getting the (almost 9 month old) baby to sleep in the crib for naps when she's used to sleeping in bed with me or in someone's arms? She screams when I leave her in the crib for more than 5 min- even with toys. (I do this now when I shower as she will pull up on the tub and I'm afraid of her falling. ) She really needs her naps and I need to get a few things done. Any ideas are appreciated.
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            Thu, March 20, 2008 - 6:07 PM
            I had the exact same problem with my son. He screamed like he was on fire when I put him in his crib. It sounds crazy, I know, but I started getting in the crib with him and playing with him in there. We read stories and nursed in there. I just wanted him to think of it as a fun welcoming place. I slowly started just putting him in there by himself but standing close by and reading stories and singing to him. I also got him a special "lovey" gorilla which we held during nursing. He would take it to bed with him and hold onto it. Now he likes his crib and actually asks to be in it sometimes.
            Most people laugh when I say I got into the crib but it is what worked for us.
            • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

              Fri, March 21, 2008 - 6:46 AM
              I second Yuni in that if i could go back in time, i'd like to have gotten our son a little more used to a crib. He's almost 2 and sleeps with us full time. I set up the crib as a sidecar to the bed when he was 6 months old, but it was never anything more than additional rolling-over space for him. I love co-sleeping, but seriously: the little guy kicks me in the ribs almost all night and my hubby and i can't get any lovin' in with a baby glued to my armpit.
              We've been encouraging him to sleep in his "special bed" and he now jumps up and crawls over in in when we ask him if he wants to sleep there "look at me- i'm in my special bed!" but then comes right back to me to nurse.

              Sigh. I don't want to give up the co-sleeping, that's why we have the crib set up as an extension of our bed, but i do wish i'd gotten him used to it way earlier because now we have no space or privacy.
              • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

                Fri, March 21, 2008 - 3:22 PM
                Jessica:
                I remember reading somewhere that kids sleeping space needs change around the 3 year mark, and I recall that is when my son started sleeping in his own bed. We layed him down in his bed and then he came into our bed at night. Starting around midnight at first and then getting later and later until he was just coming in in the morning for a few minutes.

                I think he started with naps in his own bed, but we are talking ten years ago so its a little faded in my memory.
                • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

                  Sat, March 22, 2008 - 3:52 PM
                  Thanks Duncan. I'm afraid if things don't move a little bit faster than age three (almost 15 more months) my husband won't ever agree to having a second child and going through this all over again.

                  We're moving along, slowly slowly.
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                    Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

                    Sat, March 22, 2008 - 6:26 PM
                    Man, sometimes I wonder how so many attachment parenting folks even manage to make a second child when the first ones are taking so much space up in the beds! I don't know about anyone else but there is only so much going into the other less comfortable rooms I can handle.
                    • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

                      Sat, March 22, 2008 - 6:35 PM
                      I've totally been eyeing up sofa beds for just this reason!
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                        Sat, March 22, 2008 - 6:58 PM
                        while i really don't have strong feelings about or for it, my partner wants to keep the crib (a gift from his grandparents) to use for naps and such.

                        since we are just setting up our house now (huge unpack this next week) we will get a mattress for it and keep it in a main-floor bedroom.

                        she is however always welcome in our bed
                        • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

                          Sun, March 23, 2008 - 10:59 AM
                          I eventually had a great experience with the crib when my daughter moved in at 15 months. Before this she had never spent a night or nap anywhere but our bed. By the time she moved into her own bed her sleep pattern with us had become such that nobody in the bed was getting any kind of sleep. By day two in her own bed she was sleeping deeper than she had in months, and did not wake up once during the night. Now, at 27 months, she loves her bed, and will ask to go in it when she is mad at me (such a drama queen). I love co-sleeping, and now that I have my second baby in bed with me, I sleep with that little smile on my face again. Seeing as Ivy will be sharing a room with her big sister, she may move at around one year, because I won't feel like she will be alone. But for now we are only at 7 weeks, and she belongs in our bed.



                          • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

                            Mon, April 21, 2008 - 7:59 AM
                            How did you transition to a crib my daughter is 14 months and I'm feeling exhausted and ready for a change. She has a crib but cries when we try yto put her in it. Any suggestions?
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                              Mon, April 21, 2008 - 3:35 PM
                              Oh, we're finally planning on a "true" transition this/next week. Our son is 23mo's and we've had the crib up against the side of the bed (with one side removed) so it acts like a sidecar. Maybe you can start with that so it becomes just like an extension of your bed. We did that forever, then started talking to him- telling him how it was his special bed, with his own blankets, pillows, etc, and how we wanted him to sleep in it more often. He flops around when he sleeps so he'd roll into it, then roll out of it all night. Last week i started grabbing an extra pillow and waiting til after he rolled into the crib in his sleep, then i'd put the pillow between us. So far there's only been 2 times where he woke up enough and really wanted to nurse so he crawled over the pillow to me. Otherwise, it acted as a great barricade to his flopping, kicking feet and he never woke. Normally he'd nurse several more times in the night simply because he'd roll into me and that'd cue him. I'm thinking another few days of "pillowing" and we'll put the side rail on for the first time, see how that goes.

                              I hope that gives you some ideas. Good luck!
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                      Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:55 AM
                      "I don't know about anyone else but there is only so much going into the other less comfortable rooms I can handle."

                      pre-baby, i was given a fantastically stylish, italian sectional while i worked for a very chi-chi interior designer. yeah, really sweet!

                      then, when abigail puked on it (or did she pee?) i panicked ... but the fabric is very kid friendly. yeah, super!

                      but then, when we were trying to get in some afternoon delight while abigail was snoozing in the family bed, we sadly figured out that two adults were not meant to get romantically prone on this stylish, italian sectional. yeah, major bummer.

                      i wish we had invested in a twin mattress sooner to use as a sidecar to the queen for those times when she was sound asleep and we were wide awake.
  • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

    Mon, March 31, 2008 - 6:56 AM
    I just want to add, because it's so appropriate to this thread..We just gave away our co-sleeper crib (which we havent used in six months) and moved her crib in the same spot, so it's in "toddler bed" configuration, butted up along my side of the bed, exactly like the old co-sleeper. It fits so much better next to our bed than the co-sleeper and its the exact same level as our platform bed! It feels like just an extension of the bed and best of all, she's actually sleeps in it, and can crawl onto our mattress any time she wants. I think this might be the solution in getting her used to using her crib and might serve as an eventual transition into her own room.
    • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

      Sat, April 5, 2008 - 6:51 PM
      I consider my self an attached parent and we do use the crib some. I felt my body hurt from the way I was sleeping so at 7 months we started Solomon in his crib until he worke up and I would nurse in back to sleep and he'd sleep with us until morning. Sometimes I let him sleep with me all night.
      So, we do co-sleep all night sometimes. Solomon now sleeps 9+ hours without waking. I feel using the crib sometimes was beneficial for us both to sleep more which means we're both happier.
      That is the only part of the attached parenting philosophy we translate to fit our family's needs.
      Other than that I had a home birth in the water without drugs, he is 16+ months and breastfeeding, I make all his baby food, we use cloth diapers, I still wear him in a sling/baby carrier a lot, I have only used a stroller 5 times in his life, we use gentle non-violent discipline, treat him herbally and homeopathically. I am very proud of how we raise our son which I consider to be an attached philosophy.
      I think with any philosphy there is room to bend ideas.
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        Sat, April 5, 2008 - 11:12 PM
        <<<I think with any philosophy there is room to bend ideas.>>>>

        Absolutely, Jai Ma! I think a lot of people think to be AP you have to do ALL of it per Dr. Sears, which is totally false. He states that families need to do what they can within their own comfort levels, and if they cannot do one or a few of the "seven baby B's" parents can still do attachment parenting. It's the attachment that's important, and Sears offers these as tools for attachment, not as requirements to be attached to your children.

        I'm sorry if I'm going a little off topic on this, but AP overzealousness has really been bugging me, and really gives the rest of us a bad reputation as a bunch of stuck-up hardline AP facists.
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          Sun, April 6, 2008 - 5:50 AM
          Thanks, Simone. Just recently someone told me they never leave their son, not for play or work, because they are "different" and practice the "for real deal attached parenting." I was like, huh? I practice AP too and I work now on tuesdays and have several henna jobs lined up. I still consider us to be extremely attached.
          I think mentioning a crib in the AP tribe is appropriate. It's important to question, ask others what works for them and then do what works for you. The important part is being "attached."
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            Sun, April 6, 2008 - 8:21 AM
            I agree. Parenting is about the child, not the parent. I have yet to see a child fit nice and neat into one specific mold. Our first child loved to be held and cuddled all of the time. She lived in the sling and at four she still loves to be close. Our second loves to be on the ground so she can kick and move. She gets fussy if you hold her too long. I love the AP philosophy, but if it doesn't work I am willing to try something else. I just want to raise happy healthy kids.
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            Sun, April 6, 2008 - 8:28 AM
            I think that the age of the child in question is important. At 6 months? I think thats great- at 4? Not so much. Children change so fast and their needs are variable that Parenting changes week to week.

            I think that teaching children to engage with others (adults and children) becomes more important as children age. I think that we didn't due that well with my son, and transitioning to school was tough. Fortunately he has a very strong sense of self-identity, so he got that he was responsible for his actions pretty quickly. I have seen kids have a harder time than Tristan.
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              Sun, April 6, 2008 - 3:09 PM
              I find it funny that we now have so many different names for parenting. I think that if you are a parent that loves their child and has common sense they will do their best. It never hurts to give yourself education but everything must be taken at that, more information not THE information. With my first son he slept with me till one b/c I didn't have the money for a crib. With my second son he slept with me till he was 6 months than made me put him in a crib.
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                Sun, April 6, 2008 - 6:07 PM
                I have to agree...do what seems right...AP is only a label and Dr Sears is only a guide. slavishly doing it because Dr So and SO did so ior says so doesn't really work. your children deserve parents who use their ownood sense and love...

                I did the co-sleep,long term nursing thing way longer than most people, but that doesn't mean everyone needs to or can or should.. Ion the other hand, 'm not an unschooler or a homeschooler,as it turns out, and I don;t feel i need to apologize to anyone (including my child) for that.
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    Sun, April 13, 2008 - 12:55 PM
    What a nice gift. We co-sleep with our baby IN bed, but it is nice to put her in the crib during day-time naps as well. It's safe, organic, and you'll know she won't roll-over yet because she's still too young, although they recommend no bumbers. You can still get good use out of the crib!
    • Re: to Crib or Not to Crib?

      Tue, April 15, 2008 - 12:13 PM
      Thank you for this discussion - it's exactly what I clicked on the tribe for this afternoon, to ask such questions, and I've found a great wealth of food for thought.

      Much appreciated! Now off to paint in my studio before going home to my 3 month-old!

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